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who: Victor von Doom and you
what: punching and heroing
when: mid-June
where: all over
warnings: violence

i. experiment
After his call for volunteers, Doom had spent his time looking for a place to do his little experiment without any worry of people thinking a brawl had broken out. Once he had found a place, some little clearing out in the abandoned area, he had set up a few magical precautions to keep himself safe before contacting those that had expressed interest in assisting him. One at a time, of course, since he really didn't want them all to show up and decide on a free-for-all since that would ruin the entire point of this whole experiment. Whenever people start to finally arrive, Victor himself was standing there, looking very out of place in his nice suit and seemingly unarmed. Not that he really seems to care about how he appears.

"Are you ready to get started or would you like a moment to get ready?"

ii. iron man
It didn't really matter that Tony Stark was here and not in a coma. Victor was Iron Man now and he was going to hold onto that for as long as he possibly could. Until the inevitable showdown, he was going to be patrolling around in his own Iron Man armor, both flying and walking. Every so often, he'd stop and help someone out before heading back on his way, trying to make as little of scene as possible as he could while wearing intimidating armor and a cloak. He's not doing this for recognition, after all, instead trying to not be selfish while wearing the armor. He has a legacy to uphold and he will not tarnish it, especially not now.

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The changes that affected a large portion of the population had seemingly passed Tony over. There were no radical changes to his age and he looked like the same. But for him months had passed and a lot had happened in that time. He'd quit, he didn't want to be Iron Man any more. All he wanted was to be able to grieve in peace and find a way to save Thor. While the former was still possible, the latter wouldn't be without his resources.

So while previously one of Tony's ideas of entertainment involved teasing his counterpart here, he no longer feels the need to say anything about the silly cape and colour scheme he's now sporting. He walks up to the armoured man and merely pats his shoulder before continuing past.

While the two Tony Starks were identical, they were easy to differentiate. This Tony smelt strongly of alcohol and was paler and thinner. There was also a listlessness to him that would have looked out of place to anyone familiar with the other Tony. To put it simply, he was miserable and no longer bothered to pretend otherwise.

For someone that had been around Tony as much as Doom has recently, it's obvious to him that this is clearly not the Tony Stark he knows and that this isn't some sort of magical prank by a certain trickster. He's dealt with other universes enough to know that this was just a Tony Stark from another universe.

One who hadn't stopped drinking. How unfortunate.

He moves to follow Tony, definitely curious about his lack of a reaction to his armor. That's definitely not normal Tony behavior, other universes be damned.

"Well, aren't you an odd one," he says with a hint of amusement. "I expected a bit more outrage from you at someone else with this armor."

Tony stills and takes a second look at Iron Man. As impaired as he was, he was still Tony Stark and it wasn't difficult to come to the conclusion that this was someone else.

"Should I? You didn't steal it, it's too ugly to be one of ours."

He doesn't point out that he can recognise their work and this armour is only influenced by them.

Doom has to restrain himself from sighing. This might not be his Tony Stark, but it's still a Tony Stark of some kind. He can deal with Tony Starks, that was familiar territory.

"It's been known that Tony Stark is very protective of his brand, which happens to include Iron Man. Am I wrong?"

He's ignoring the ugly comment because he's not getting into a fashion argument with him. That is a path that leads nowhere good.

Tony stares at him blankly for a moment before laughing hollowly. "I changed my mind weeks ago." It'd been hard for him since the whole mess with the infinity gems, but after Thanos he didn't want to try at all and here in this strange world there was certainly nothing to motivate him to try.

"Take the name if you want. I have no use for it."

Arms folded where he stands on a rooftop watching the caped copycat (Tony would never wear that nerdy mess), Loki waits to draw Victor's attention as he knows only he can; a godling alone? The old Victor would have jumped at the chance to imprison him (again), so it's interesting to see what the so-called reinvented dictator will do while he's pretending to help old ladies across the street.

He probably planted explosives on them. Loki rules out nothing as he kicks his heels on the edge of a building.

Well, this is the new Victor and this one is not bothering a certain godling until he's done with whatever minor business he has with a random person. Once he's done, he flies up to meet with Loki, stopping when he gets there to hover in front of him and stare. Good thing he's wearing the armor right now so he can deny any and all accusations of staring.

"You've shrunk," he finally says after a long moment, tone flat as he's not quite sure how to feel about this.

That totally isn't intimidating. He isn't intimidated. No.

"I like how people are pointing that out as if I'll be surprised. Thank you for being the second person to say so, very astute of you."

His body has de-aged but the salt in his veins went nowhere, it seems. Loki shifts where he stands, gesturing to the floating Doom before him.

"Why in Odin's name are you wearing a cloak with that suit? Don't the repulsors or whatever set it on fire?"

It's okay, Loki. This is meant to be intimidating.

"It's more I need to express my surprise at you appearing so young. It's quite a shock."

Thankfully, the surprise from his appearance is changed to annoyance about the comment about his cloak. He gestures at himself for a brief moment before speaking.

"I happen to like wearing cloaks and if I hadn't figured out a way to keep them undamaged during flight after all these years, then I'd be a fool and as we're both aware, I'm not."

"You look like an episode of 'Pimp My Iron Man'."

At the very least, Loki isn't lying. Hand on a hip, he steps backwards on the rooftop in invitation for Victor to follow and stop ... hovering.

"Which brings me to my next question, why have you swapped out one metal cage for another? You obviously don't need one anymore."

Quietly judging Victor's choices, yes.

Once again he's glad for the armor because he made a face of disgust at that reference. You could do so much better than that, Loki.

"I'll take that to mean you don't like my armor."

His tone is light as he moves to land on the roof, one hand reaching up to remove the armor's faceplate.

"What better way to prove I've changed than to carry on the legacy of a man I respect?"

He has no plans to mention how he feels about wearing armor again.

What is apt is apt. He would laugh, only ...

"Why should his legacy have ended?"

The sight, again, of Victor owning a face keeps Loki grounded and on-topic, smile morphing into a frown.

Doom lets out a long sigh. He hadn't been looking forward to revealing this little fact to anyone, but really, it was inevitable.

"Because Tony Stark is incapacitated and the girl he was going to mentor has decided to make a name for herself as Ironheart."

Grumpier by the minute, he mutters, "Silly wrestler's name," then louder to Victor, "Why is he incapacitated?"

Loki knows Anthony isn't at his best back home, but. Wow. He never mentioned anything to this degree of weird.

"There was a disagreement about whether or not to use an Inhuman who could see the future to arrest people. Stark lost the argument violently."

He's not saying it was another Civil War, but it was another Civil War. Welcome to the future, it kinda sucks.

"You are the most frustrating person. What was his stance?" The last time Tony stood up for something, HeroPedia didn't record it in a positive light. "What happened to him?"

"He didn't want him to be used." He's ignoring that comment about being frustrating for now, even if he's being that way on purpose. "Stark's in a coma. Incapacitated for now, but I'm sure he'll be back to annoy everyone soon enough."

He knew something had gone wrong (again) back home but for all Tony's fussing and camaraderie he hasn't been entirely honest; the hint was enough, sure, but there's still part of Loki that smarts at the knowledge he wasn't trusted. Not really.

Sullen, he looks Victor over and gives him a sigh.

"Whatever." Care for the Man of Iron? Laughable, not worth mentioning him a second time. "You remember that awful prison you made for me out of time and space? There's another problem going on with hints of those same flavours, you've already volunteered to assist with it. The portal is currently corrupted and I'm sucking it up when I tell you to be sure you sort it out to the best of your newfound heroic ability."

Because, Doom though he is, Victor happens to be brilliant. And Loki's best shot at reversing the spell when bereft of his own magic in full.

Now that they're off the topic of Stark, Doom can mentally breathe a sigh of relief. He doesn't like to talk about it, surprising enough. The topic change is a bit of a surprise and he looks down at Loki.

"You have my word that I will do everything in my power and beyond to make sure that you get back to normal." Well, as normal as Loki can be. An idea pops into his head as he's processing everything and refocuses on the diminutive god. "I could see about building something that would cause a localized effect for cancelling out what's been done to you."

"Oh, please don't." There would be no telling what the Hel Victor might conjure up while Loki can't case it properly, unable to defend himself with some proper snooping.

He cocks his head.

"Why do you want me to be back to normal? Isn't it more convenient for you if I'm ... diminished?"

Not only in size.

[ yeah see, this Tony? this Tony is not nearly as chill with the whole you wearing something that looks like his armour. only way uglier, wow, why are you wearing a cape? who even--?

if Tony wasn't so enraged, he would face palm at the whole cape thing a little more.

as it stands thought, he is gritting his teeth and stalking up to the man with fury in his eyes. right now was one of those moments that he wished he had been out and about in his suit rather than walking around like someone who was useless. still, all it takes is a press of a button on his phone, and the suit is on its way to him. it will just take a little bit of time to arrive.]

Alright, Salazar Slytherin, what the fuck do you think you are doing in that? And honest to fuck, a cape? Are you-- you know what, I don't even care. [ Tony gets right up into the suits face, clearly not caring about the danger it might pose.] This why you were being so nice to me back home? Trying to steal shit that you couldn't even copy well?

[Why does everyone talk shit about the cape? He likes his cape.

Right, angry Tony in his face. He'll deal with the cape thing later.

He crosses his arms and looks directly at Tony, not really seeming bothered by the fact that he's here and he's angry. Mostly because he expected this to happen at some point, even if he hoped it would happen later.]

I'm wearing this armor because I'm Iron Man now. [If you're nice maybe he'll explain why.] As if I needed to be nice to duplicate your armor. Your little artificial intelligence backup even said as much to me. I was helping you back home because you were someone I wished to emulate in my redemption, even if I didn't plan on donning another set of armor again.

[ because you are wearing a cape, with a high tech suit of armour. why wouldn't people make fun of you for that? aren't capes like a thing reserved for Thor and shitty '90's villain-- oh wait.

Tony mirrors the look, not caring the Doom clearly out powers him at this point in time; he is banking on his righteous fury to see him through whatever the fuck might come next. only it doesn't, not really because what Doom is saying makes very very little sense to him.

Doom is... Iron Man? that sounds like something that came out of a terrible movie. a nightmare or something. Tony halts a little, eyes narrowing as he processes what he is being told.]

You are Iron Man now. Right, because I would so give that title to you, no matter how much help you have been in the past. [ Tony won't deny that you have been a help, Victor, but he really doesn't see you getting close enough to be called Iron Man any time soon.]

What about RiRi, wouldn't she be the next Iron Man? [ also, wait, his AI back up, that means--- well shit. Tony doesn't take a step back but his face twitches, something fading in his gaze.]

Danvers goes all out then, does she?

[Doom lets out a huff of laughter. Like he would go to Tony for his permission or blessing or whatever it is heroes do when someone else takes their title.]

You didn't give it to me, I took it and the closest to a response from you was "please don't". [The AI counts as Tony, right?]

Miss Williams prefers to call herself Ironheart instead. Besides, she doesn't think of herself as being in charge of your legacy.

[He put the pieces together. Good, that made things easier since he doesn't have to explain everything. And gives him an idea about when Tony arrived from.]

It appeared that way. You didn't die, but you're not waking up any time soon.

[ yeah well excuse him for thinking you might not just decide you were Iron Man or something. sure there is the little dig at him when you mention emulating him but-- whatever. it was what it was. at least Tony knows that you are still completely insane despite it all.

the genius still isn't pleased about this revelation though. or the fact that Doom just admits to taking his tech.]

I feel like the please was more than you deserve to be honest. Wondering why I didn't put some kind of self destruct coding in it somewhere, maybe that is something that I should look into now.

[ it is said lightly, but Tony still has his eyes on Doom. at least Riri is fine, he liked her and didn't want her to carry on his legacy anyway. she was bright enough to carve her own. still--

Tony tamps down on his fury for a little while longer, in the name of information.]

So not dead, just a coma. Perfect that sounds great. Good to know that she at least goes all out for what she believes in.

[ there is another question on the tip of his tongue, about Miles, about Steve, but he snaps his mouth shut against them. ]

[This is Doom, he steals whatever he damn well pleases. Even the name Iron Man. And he didn't steal your tech, Tony. He's not that desperate. He can make his own suit with his own tech.]

You wouldn't be saying that if you knew everything that's happened, Stark. Besides, I made this armor myself. I don't need to steal your tech when mine is superior to begin with.

[He's only willing to give so much information, not to mention he only knows so much to begin with.]

That would be what you take from this.

[This is why you heroes annoy him.]

[ see, you say you didn't need to steal his tech, but then you say you steal what you want. maybe you should get better at lying to yourself there, Doom. its okay, Tony understands that he is better at tech than you, it is fine to admit it alright.

you can have magic and being a megalomaniac, Tony has tech.]

That-- implies that somehow things get worse than me being in a coma and that really does not at all bode well. I take it you won't elaborate either, about what happens or how you managed to steal all that.

[ you stole it and Tony is going with that until proven otherwise okay.]

What else am I supposed to take from this? Would you rather I despair because I am really not into that, sorry. Not dead here, so there is that.

[ because they can see the light at the end of the tunnel? they aren't just walking pity parties in hideous capes? sorrynotsorry ]

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