Ava Anatalya Orlova ([personal profile] krasnaya_vdova) wrote in [community profile] riverviewlogs2018-01-13 01:51 pm

For all the wrongs that you defend [closed-ish]

who: Ava and the people that got pieces of her file
what: Catch-all for resulting conversations
when: January
where: Around Riverview
warnings: Will add in subject lines as necessary, mentions of child experimentation is probably a given.

[ooc babble: Ava's SHIELD file comes through the portal, but it comes through in stray pieces and pages, which end up in the hands of all the wrong people. Some of them are her friends, some of them aren't. Catchall log for all the resulting shenanigans.

There are pages left, so hit me up at [plurk.com profile] natalia_vdova if you want in, and I can toss some stuff your way. Either write your own starter, or pplurk me for a prompt. Ava's skittish but can be found just about anywhere.]
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[personal profile] neversurrender 2018-01-14 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
[He decides to wait until their next meet-up for running and sparring to talk to her about the document pages he had received. The fact that he doesn't know where they came from or who sent them doesn't sit right with him. But someone had wanted him to see them. While reading through he had begun to suspect who the 'asset' was they were speaking of. After all, it's hard to escape the things about her appearance that resemble Natasha. He'd even seen it during their sparring matches, the way her movements and attacks would be so similar to his teammate's. And then he'd been given a name and what he thought had become a reality.

There are other widows besides Natasha. Something SHIELD must have been keeping very quiet about. But Coulson had known. And Natasha. Fury, definitely. His first thought had been to reach out to Natasha, after all, despite the subject matter, these are her documents. But something Ava had said to him when they met had stopped him. Something about him and the others not remembering her. Initially he had thought she must come from a different universe, but now he's not so sure. Either way, he determined it would be best to get answers straight from the source.

He stands in their usual meeting spot, outside of the community housing, with two thermoses of freshly brewed coffee, one of which he hands over to her when she arrives.]


I received something about a day ago that I think might interest you. [He watches her closely.] About the Red Widow. [The name had stood out to him because of her former username. It must mean something to her.]
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[personal profile] neversurrender 2018-01-23 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
[He hadn't known what to expect by approaching her so openly. They had sparred together several times, enough that he had felt like he knew her pretty well. Until he'd seen the pages. The pages have made him second guess things, like why she had never told him herself that she had been trained to be another Natasha. That she had been a part of SHIELD too. He'd been hoping that she would trust him enough to give him the truth, but he hadn't been certain. But apparently, he didn't have to worry.]

How young did they recruit you? [He has never questioned Natasha much about her past, but he's gleamed enough to know that it hadn't been pretty. And the idea that SHIELD would have tried training Ava in the same way makes his stomach lurch.

The thinly veiled compliment, while sweet, is not enough to distract him from the rest of it. He's honored to be someone's inspiration, but that's not why he had enlisted.]


Would you like to see for yourself?
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[personal profile] neversurrender 2018-01-25 01:05 am (UTC)(link)
[The connection between her parents being scientists and her being "born for it" doesn't slip his notice. But there's no good way to ask someone if their parents had experimented on them to turn them into a child spy. The fact that this is where his mind immediately jumps to makes him a little sick, but he's seen first hand how dangerous and unnerving the Soviet science is. And that's leaving HYDRA and their sick experiments out.

But other details of her story catch his notice and he tries to put the pieces together. Like the bunker in Washington, DC. And the fact that she'd been given over to STRIKE for training. From her story, she'd already been years gone from DC before he re-located there. ]


The person responsible for your training...was it Brock Rumlow?

[The papers where inside, Steve not trusting enough to carry something so important on his person. But he has another reason for wanting to have this conversation inside. Less of an audience for one. And the fact that his space is the only space he can guarantee privacy.]

Let's carry this over inside then. [He moves to the door of the Community Housing building and pulls it open, holding it for her.]
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[personal profile] neversurrender 2018-02-05 05:08 am (UTC)(link)
And the others?

[Rumlow was far from the only HYDRA double agent working from within SHIELD. He likely wasn't even the only one within STRIKE. But Rumlow had been the most prominent. And if he'd had his sights on Ava to join him...that didn't bode well.

He waits until they've entered the first apartment, leading the way to his own room, before he speaks again. He closes the door behind them, as he couldn't be sure which of his roommates were still around, and takes a seat at his desk, spinning the chair around so he's facing the rest of the room. He motions for her to take a seat at the foot of the bed before opening a desk drawer and pulling several pages out. These he offers to her.]


How did you escape? [He can count on one hand the number of people he knows that can successfully evade SHIELD custody. Himself included.]
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[personal profile] neversurrender 2018-02-08 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
[He stiffens at the mention of HYDRA, a reaction that he can't quite control. Their shadow has enveloped him and followed him into the present. Hell, they've even followed him here in the form of Pierce. Just when he thinks it's over. Cut off one head and two more take its place. Right.]

Can't say I'm surprised. Do you think they were behind your rescue?

[Or they could have seen her as an asset once Natasha had brought her into SHIELD's custody and maneuvered her into their grasp. Either way doesn't really matter, it all comes down to the same thing.]

They wanted a Widow of their own.

[Not quite a question. He's pretty sure of the answer already. For all the bad she's done in the past Natasha wouldn't be turned easily. Her loyalty is to Nick Fury.]

Did you now? [There's a tug on his lips as his otherwise serious expression warms up with a bit of humor. He can tell she's a fighter. He knew when they had first met, even before their first sparring match. And clever too.

But the amusement fades at the mention of Bucky, his lips pressing together in a firm line. His gaze drops from hers.]
When he was in stasis?
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[personal profile] neversurrender 2018-02-11 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
[He nods, not particularly surprised by the details. Now that he has most of the pieces, it's easy to put things together. Seeking confirmation just makes it more real. But on the subject of Natasha...]

Have you ever spoken to Natasha about any of this? Here?

[He has a feeling he could guess the correct answer to that as well, but he wants to hear it from her.

Stripping the assault rifles, now that's not a very elegant plan. Or a very stealthy one. But it makes him grin because it sounds close to what he would do. Strip the weapons, hit the targets. Rinse and repeat. He's never had much patience for anything more complicated than that.]


I'm sure they didn't even know what hit them.

[And that...he's not expecting. But he should have. In fact he wouldn't have even expected HYDRA to warn her of the brainwashing, but to force it on her eventually. And why didn't they once they learned she was trying to escape? Did they really think they could bring her up to be a loyal agent by taking advantage of her youth?

His eyes fall closed, teeth gritted together against the images his mind tries to supply him of Bucky being strapped down and in so much pain.]


Did they....ever try to do that to you?
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[personal profile] neversurrender 2018-02-20 06:28 am (UTC)(link)
[Six months. That's a long time to be out of touch with someone trapped with you inside the confines of the Quarantine. Unless you're actively avoiding someone. But who would be avoiding who? He's not sure. But there's also the fact that he's been here for almost a month and a half and he hasn't heard a word from Natasha. He's thought about reaching out...but her silence has made him hesitate.

But still. He knows a bit about sharing a history with someone that they don't remember. How hard it is at times.]


Ended up in your memories? [He pauses, looking bemused. Is this more weird Quarantine stuff?]

But you remember them now?

[The question comes after a long pause. He knows from Bucky's situation that the mind control is limited as far as wiping memories goes. With enough time and distance, pieces will start to come back. It's only a matter of when.]
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[personal profile] livingsymbol 2018-01-15 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
[After receiving the document, Steve goes looking for Ava. He knows she's already on edge and doesn't want to push her too much, but this is directly concerning her and she has a right to know about it. He searches the places he's used to finding her, approaching cautiously so he doesn't look too overbearing. He's at least aware at this point how he can appear.]

Ava. Can I talk to you?

[With a real question and everything.]
livingsymbol: ([S] But sometimes I like it too much.)

[personal profile] livingsymbol 2018-03-03 04:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course.

[Sparring is something to concentrate on. It's a way, perhaps, they can both mitigate that oppressive feeling hanging over them. The paranoia and threat that Ava must be feeling and the awkward realization of truth Steve is carrying with him now that he knows about it. With sparring, at least they can focus on something physical. A connection between them that they can both understand when the words fail.

He steps up, still dressed in his plain clothes, letting himself fall into stance for her.]


Something happened recently. I don't want to get too personal with you, but I think this is important. And I want you to know you can trust me.
advanced: (concealed)

[personal profile] advanced 2018-01-15 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
[It didn't take him long to work out what this was, found in one of his bolt holes, and he can only assume that Ava has left it for him. He doesn't understand why, it seems a risk to leave a piece of her past on display, a bigger risk than he thinks she would take now.

But if she didn't leave it, then who? Pierce? Perhaps.

Either way, he needs to get in contact with her, so he leaves her a note somewhere that she's sure to be in the next few days. It's in Russian and it just says FIND ME.]
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[personal profile] advanced 2018-01-19 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
[He watches when he sees her, just to make absolutely certain that she's alone and there's nobody else in the vicinity, before he steps into view with a page held out in front of him.]

You didn't send me this.

[It's not a question.

Even though this is about her, he's come to the conclusion that she's too private and too cautious to send this stuff through the mail even if she wanted him to know.]
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[personal profile] advanced 2018-01-21 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It's yours, you have the right to it.

[He'll hand it off to her if she wants to take it. He won't pretend that he didn't read it, even if it was a violation. She'd probably understand, knowledge is power even to those you trust, if she found information on the Winter Soldier then she'd probably read it even before she gave it to him.]

I found it in one of my safe houses.

[Was it Pierce, is the implied question there.]
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[personal profile] advanced 2018-01-25 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
[He can't imagine what he'd do if the Winter Soldier files found themselves public record... well, actually he can, considering that Romanoff had made all HYDRA files public before he fled. But that's not here, where he can't flee effectively or hide from what he is.]

It might be him.

[The petty manipulation seems right up his alley, but there are problems with that theory too.]

But I don't know. If he knew where to find me to leave this, he'd have handed it to me in person to prove that he could. And why leave it for me? Seems pointless.
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[personal profile] advanced 2018-02-04 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
I don't have questions.

[That's not entirely true, he has questions about everyone, but he it's true enough to make his point.]

Tell me things if you want to, don't if you don't.

[That's the safest way for it to be between them, an open exchange but always on their own terms, it's the only way for them to ever build trust.]
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[personal profile] advanced 2018-02-14 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
[How in the hell would that even work, unless they also had access to Romanoff? Some kind of bizarre psychic technology is really not something he wants to be dealing with, so it's a relief that it doesn't work here.]

Does she know?

[The one here, he means.]
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[personal profile] advanced 2018-02-15 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
[He can understand wanting to run from the person you actually have history with, even if they're supposedly on the side of the good guys. Hell, he's run from Steve more times than he wants to count, and he keeps doing it now even if he's trying to get a bit better about it.]

You should talk to her.

[Kind of hypocritical, maybe, but it's still the right thing to do.]

Running only helps temporarily. Trust me.
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[personal profile] advanced 2018-02-24 08:56 am (UTC)(link)
[He shrugs, he doesn't have the right to judge if that's a selfish stance or not, not when he doesn't know the whole story.

Besides, she's right, it's all about choice. Romanoff's choice to be involved or not, and Ava's choice whether she wants to bring all that up to someone who might not even remember what she's talking about.]


I guess that makes sense.

[Obviously it makes sense, but that's just his bland way of telling her that he won't push the issue any more. He understands that it's her choice and he'll respect that.]
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[personal profile] wingedman 2018-01-23 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
[It's not hard to figure out who the pages pertain to, and for a few days, Sam keeps quiet about them. Not that he'd tell anyone else anyway; Ava's secrets are her own to keep. But he's not sure whether to bring it up to Ava. In the end, it's finding out about Pierce that makes him decide - if nothing else, he needs to give the papers back to her, so she can do what she wants with them. So he texts her:]

I got something of yours that you might want back. Drop by my house later?