( Dorian returns Ragnar's smile, but shakes his head. )

And that, my new friend, is where our religions differ. The Maker and His Bride do not walk among us. The Blight the follies of men have created? Most certainly. The demons that exist beyond the Veil? Yes, and we have our faith and our own capabilities to protect us. That almost sounds noble.

( But he nods. )

And you've met these living gods of yours?